If it's set up right, I'd argue that a 3-OTT is about as fast as a floor shift, once you get good at it. I bought the trans for 250 at a super Chevy show, purchased a rebuild kit on eBay for 100 but they have gotten less expensive over the last year or so, see below for a kit less than 70. produce less end loading of the gear train and less heat but created more noise, Location: atlantic beach,n.c. FITS: 4 SPEED SAGINAW/MUNCIE MANUAL TRANNY SBC/BBC, (4) Saginaw Muncie 4 Speed Transmission Universal Steel Shifter Lever 3 Speed, Leave feedback about your eBay search experience - opens in new window or tab. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Ultimately, the choice between a Muncie or Saginaw transmission depends on the specific needs and preferences of the driver. Yes. mrracing (16,599) 100% . 9-speed automatic transmission with 2.0L Turbo engine, Electronically controlled transmission with overdrive and gear range select Smooth, effortless automatic shifting 2.0L Turbo 4-cylinder engine, 228 hp @ 5000 rpm Offers 252 hp and 260 lb-ft of torque 4-cylinder dual overhead cam design with Direct-Injection and Variable Valve Timing (VVT . shafts, Cover issued with "584" tail stud type shift shafts, Short boss with bolt on type shift shafts The M20 is a wide-ratio transmission, while the M21 is a close-ratio transmission, and the M22 is a heavy-duty close-ratio transmission. Yard it out! However, for more casual driving and less demanding applications, the Saginaw transmission may be a more affordable and practical choice. 4) The adjustment bolt/nuts should be at the shifter. This was only true when the first M22 boxes were 3) N-Reverse shift lever is upside down. Clutch Gaskets and Seals. w/overdrive - *=locked in, Borg-Warner H.D. It's a restoration project that I've been. Not so easy with the Saginaw. Also the local Topix forums or facebook will possibly help you locate the needed parts and someone to install them. Nov 9, 2010. Get Directions. Russ Jan 6, 2013 #6 Rene Melten Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member Sep 22, 2007 4,119 Blind Bay, B.C. For a street car that you beat on a little it's a great transmission. The later versions were redesigned to make them easier to down shift by installing syncronizers for all gear shift patterns, up and down shifting, making them "fully" syncronized. There are a number of different ways to tell if your car has a Saginaw 3 speed. NOT . 3-speed transmission stamped W1124, matching invoice on SS 396 http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/vette/65 Chevelle L79/65Chevelle6June2010.jpg. We are a team of automotive enthusiasts, master technicians, car finance managers and more. Sounds like you had a saginaw box maybe? You will also be able to tell the assembly date by the casting number. spline output shafts. 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The 1969 to 1974 Muncie Cool thanks a lot guys, this is all great info. The Saginaw was designed not only for everyday driving but also to withstand extreme conditions such as racing and off-road driving. :thumbsup: Thanks guys. Main case casting numbers (when looking at the passenger side these numbers are upside down) 6273262, tail shaft housing casting numbers 3968035, Shifter cover casting numbers GM1 3952646. 27 spline, 1963 "Thin Fin Tail" Driver speedometer 27 spline, 1963 - 1965 Regular thick web, driver speedometer, At the top rear of the engine next to the distrubter there is a oil pressure sending unit. you must have the reverse shift arm upside down on the trans. The manual transmission was a popular choice for car enthusiasts and mechanics. Installation kits include all linkage, mounting hardware, shifter boot and easy-to-follow installation guide. The transmissions were cast-iron and stamped with an application code. 10-bolt shift cover on left side of case. 4; wrecked 5th gear syncro ring. In 1967, the pattern was always shown on the shifter knob. 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The VIN says it was made in St. Louis and had a six with the three speed, but someone then put a v-8 in it, which is what I have. Crossmember JavaScript is disabled. Rebuilt Saginaw 3 speed (1-1/8" 10 spline) Transmission. These professionals have experience working with many different types of transmissions and can quickly identify the type of transmission you have. Im a mechanic with five years experience diagnosing and repairing vehicles. Rebuild or Replace? Terms of Service. This kit should fit all Saginaw 4 speed transmissions, because the shifter mounting bracket doesn't use any tailshaft housing holes (see last 2 pictures). Can i put a Muncie 4 speed, Saginaw 4 speed, or a late model . And the parts to fix it or a used sector wasn't to be found through normal channells. I dont like the idea of that at all, it seems like it would be to easy to shift it into reverse instead of second. in my leg. I think the only Hurst shifters were over to the left and up. It's wierd all the brackets are the same as they were when the previous owner had the tranny in it, don't see why it wouldnt be the same now. Some 80's trucks had an OD 4 speed, but I believe it was a New Process gear box. 3-speed/Muncie 4-speed: I had a helluva time trying to find a gear shift knob with the correct (or would it be "incorrect") pattern. The 3-speed Muncie unit is similar to the 3-speed Saginaw design but differs in that it has a 3-1/4 inch center distance between the mainshaft and countershaft instead of 3 inches, and has larger bearings, gears, input shaft . Any road If not for the internet they wouldn't have been able to fix the van. There are 7 different input shaft possibilities on a Muncie. I have a 78 Camaro z28 built 383 stroker, had a th350 in it but was having shifting problems so I just swapped it out for a Saginaw 4 speed,(yes I know I have too much power for a Saginaw) but it's all I have to work with at the moment, got the trans installed, and it didn't want to come out of Reverse, so I realigned the shifter to nuetral and adjusted the shift rods, now it shifts great, but I did notice my Reverse is left and down, isn't it supposed to be left and up? 425 Pinson Rd Ste M PMB 1028 Forney, TX 75126, We can be reached at contact@carshtuff.com. Transmission Month Date Codes The Muncie transmission is known for its toughness and reliability, making it a popular choice among high-performance drivers and racers. Its also easy to maintain and repair, making it a popular choice among DIY mechanics and car enthusiasts. I have the same thing, I intentionally built the car that way and it's been in there 12 years, 12 long gear grinding years, so i feel your pain. transmissions under the steering shaft was simply blocked with a rubber plug. Only thing left was position of shifter when it was in the vehicle (fore or aft). I just did a Manual 3 speed Column to floor switch in my 66 Caprice. thus the nickname "Rock Crusher" was born. The transmission in your GTO may not be the original one from the factory. The transmission model is part of its casting number, usually with an additional letter designation after the T-85. I also see them for sale by the transmission rebuilders all done for like 600-800. JEGS offers a wide selection of manual transmission shifter options and manual shifter parts (shift knobs, boots, etc.) I was lucky to find an Muncie 22 for a great deal and I could not be happier. You will find the T-85 three-speed in these cars: 1957-'66 American Motors/ Rambler with 287 or 327 engine. the first year to have the year stamped in the date code and the month represented Hi folks, it's been a while since I was here last, but I remember getting some great help here in the past, so here goes Not to be a smart a__ but it will until it won't. The case is stronger than a Muncies, adn it dosen't have the mid plate issues. A better choice of an inexpensive tranny would be the old Borg-arner T-10 or the not cheap Super T-10 that Borg-Warner sold to GM for use in cars after the Muncie went out of production. housing. Note the speedometer cable exits on the passenger Manual Transmission parts drawings These detailed manual transmission assembly sequence parts drawings assist you in identification of the parts you need, get it correct the first time and save money! The Turbo 400 used in previous years was replaced with the more compact M-38 Turbo 350 automatic. Often someone has problems or needs a part transported and they work out a HAMB relay. I could easily convert it too a Muncie 4 speed down the road. The lightweight design helps fuel efficiency and overall performance. 2) 1-2 shift lever is in the correct position. 27 spline, 1964 1965 Pontiac Catalina Long Tail Driver Speedo 27 Spline, 1966 1970 Passenger side speedometer, 1st gear is down left, 2nd is up left, 3rd is down right and 4th is up right. The Saginaw was and is known for its durability and reliability. Exclusive advanced gear shift mechanism design for shorter throw and positive, precise shifts/. Then just pull the shift lever down into first; it'll slide right in without clashing. Note the speedometer cable exit on the passenger side. Flashight, I had a floorshifter on a overdrive trans in my 55.1 before did the s-10 chassis swap. I could easily convert it too a Muncie 4 speed down the road. the shifter was floor mounted whether a console was ordered or not. It is often used in restorations and custom builds, as well as in off-road and racing vehicles. Only 2/3 is. 3 speed shifter. Not terrible. JavaScript is disabled. The Muncie trans is stronger than the Saginaw and both parts and shifters are available. The shift pattern on the one I owned had reverse on the left ande down but you also had to push down on the shifter to access reverse. saginaw transmission shift fork fits 2-3 & 1-rev 3-speed, & 3-4 4-speed '66-'87 (wt301-23) tpd . That is not a problem,that is how they are designed. Another misconception is if you have The Saginaw also had a very sturdy input shaft. C ~ March, D ~ April, E ~ May, They can help identify the transmission based on its features and characteristics. "It's just a phase. 4. because there was no room to install the trans. inputs came with 32 spline output shafts and all 10 spline inputs came with 27 Just as an FYI, the overdrive part of the three speed can be installed into the four speed to make a four speed over drive. Home > Transmission Parts > Chevrolet Transmission Parts > Saginaw 3 & 4 Transmission Parts > Saginaw Diagram: Saginaw 3 and 4 Speed . The shift pattern was P-R-N-D-L. 3-4. . After locating correct unit a link is supplied to provide detailed information on specific kit and parts that are available for your unit. would be the date code P8T13, meaning 1968 (8), December (T), 13th. It was a hurst indy shifter.You will have to order it for a vehicle that had a trans like you have in your truck. I ran a Sag. Can be used with stock clutch or mini-clutch. GM's goal with the Muncie four-speed was to produce a better shift employing larger synchro cones. It sounds like you best bet is to get a later Saginaw with the two groove inpuit shaft and a good floor shift conversion. You can read more about us, here. 1965-'69 Jeep J-series 4WD pickups (used with a Dana 20 transfer case) When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. It doesn't mesh well from neutral to either first or reverse. 3-speed Manual (327/396), Saginaw M20 (283 built after March, 1966), Saginaw M20 (327 built after March, 1966), Transmission Gear Ratio Drop Between Gears, RPO M20 with RPO L30 327/275hp This is the shift shaft ears, the stock ones that mine uses on the shifter for the 3 speed Saginaw transmission. All 26 spline 1st gear is down left, 2nd is up left, 3rd is down right and 4th is up right. You might check it out? was built for. 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Not only were they both popular transmissions in muscle cars and Corvettes, but many were even used after the muscle car era. . So much for well trained mechanics at the dealer. The shift patter is backwards. 2-3 days lead time. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. I read the post and replied that I had a good used one. The shifter location helps make it easier for drivers to shift gear ratios quickly and efficiently, improving the overall driving experience. So I had less than 500, trans, kit, parts, degreaser, paint and gear oil. The tag will have a code that indicates the transmission type, and it may include the letters "SAG" or "SAGINAW" in the code. You can swap in a middle to late 60's saginaw three speed, fully synchronized, or the same era four speed saginaw, also fully synchronized, with a floor shifter, for a few dollars. Concave or Flat Top Shift Knobs Shift Pattern. The number on it is 224247. I left it a three speed because I have the Heavy Duty Borg & Warner which are rare and hard to find. Box 4013 Kalamazoo, MI 49003 www.roadranger.com Please specify shifting controls used and transmission model number when making request. (October 25), Saginaw 3-speed This site also participates in other affiliate programs including but not limited to DiscountTire, TireRack, TireBuyer, ShareASale, CJ, and ClickBank, and is compensated for referring traffic and business to these companies. Pontiac installed the Buick heavy duty 3-speed transmission in 1956-57. #2 Saginaw (6 cylinders and up to 2bbl 350 small blocks) #3 T5 5 speeds ( 4 cylinders and up to 305 small blocks) Aug 20, 2008 #5 K ky509 New Member Apr 6, 2008 15 Newburg, MO. Date Codes: A ~ January, B ~ February, Open to all models including Belair, 210, 150, Sedans, and Nomads. The rebuild is not terrible. The Muncie transmission is heavier than the Saginaw transmission due to its aluminum case and high-strength gears. 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